tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post8415037956030081332..comments2024-02-11T01:14:21.904-08:00Comments on SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: FAL vs. HK91FerFALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07578136334334588454noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-78322830723583879222010-07-12T10:23:07.283-07:002010-07-12T10:23:07.283-07:00DSA FAL for $1095 at AimSurplus.com
http://www.ai...DSA FAL for $1095 at AimSurplus.com<br /><br />http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSASTG58&groupid=11Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-81369209607170171412010-07-02T07:40:34.938-07:002010-07-02T07:40:34.938-07:00Hi Bill N, thanks for the articulate response. All...Hi Bill N, thanks for the articulate response. All good points.<br /><br />FerFALFerFALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07578136334334588454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-72285084264463744572010-07-02T06:52:21.964-07:002010-07-02T06:52:21.964-07:00Assault rifles vs 7.62 Nato rifles (cont)
3) Rapi...Assault rifles vs 7.62 Nato rifles (cont)<br /><br />3) Rapid swings needed for quick kill shots at short range targets are hard to do with heavy battle rifles. Hard to carry them at ready position for minutes at a time.<br /><br />4) It is poor tactical planning to rely on firing at human wave attacks from behind a fortified wall while under siege. What do you do come nightfall -- or against approaching trenches? You<br />have given up the initiative and are trapped.<br /><br /> Better to patrol and ambush threats far from your base -- and the assault rifles are better weapons for patrols than are the battle rifles.<br /><br />5) Sniper doctrine calls for one shot -one kill and then moving to a new position. The reason is that several shots allow the enemy to precisely locate your position: they can get a bearing and by counting the seconds of time lag between the crack of the bullet passing by them and the report from your rifle muzzle, the enemy can determine the distance to you. (Because bullet travels several times faster than speed of sound, the supersonic crack of it passing by will occur several seconds before the report from a firer's rifle is heard.)<br /><br />Whereas one shot out of the blue rarely betrays your position.<br /><br />A bolt rifle can be fired almost as rapidly as a battle rifle for the first 4 or 5 shots.<br /><br />The US Marines and Army found that it was much easier to maintain an accurate zero on a simple bolt action rifle being dragged through the field than it was for the mechanically complex battle rifles.<br /><br />And without a dependable zero, one shot-one kill doesn't work.Don Williamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-70716533104095658112010-07-02T06:52:21.965-07:002010-07-02T06:52:21.965-07:001) Note that most armies have moved to an assault ...1) Note that most armies have moved to an assault rifle using a cartridge with intermediate power (M16, AK-47,etc) instead of the full power battle rifles like the FN FAL and HK 91.<br /><br />2) Reasons are:<br />a) Most shots on battlefield against trained troops are at less than 200 yards. Under stress and physical exertion of combat, it's hard to hit a helmet partially concealed behind a rock at 200 yards while panting for breath --or to hit a target rushing from cover to cover.<br /><br />b) By weight, You can carry three 5.56 Nato or AK-74 rounds for every 7.62 Nato round. You can carry three AK-47 rounds for every two 7.62 rounds.<br /><br />c) Military Assault rifles can fire automatic. Automatic fire with the 7.62 battle rifles was never practical --rifle too light to control recoil, barrel heats up too rapidly and can't be switched out.Don Williamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-35629484038441187692010-07-02T06:51:42.433-07:002010-07-02T06:51:42.433-07:001) Note that most armies have moved to an assault ...1) Note that most armies have moved to an assault rifle using a cartridge with intermediate power (M16, AK-47,etc) instead of the full power battle rifles like the FN FAL and HK 91.<br /><br />2) Reasons are:<br />a) Most shots on battlefield against trained troops are at less than 200 yards. Under stress and physical exertion of combat, it's hard to hit a helmet partially concealed behind a rock at 200 yards while panting for breath --or to hit a target rushing from cover to cover.<br /><br />b) By weight, You can carry three 5.56 Nato or AK-74 rounds for every 7.62 Nato round. You can carry three AK-47 rounds for every two 7.62 rounds.<br /><br />c) Military Assault rifles can fire automatic. Automatic fire with the 7.62 battle rifles was never practical --rifle too light to control recoil, barrel heats up too rapidly and can't be switched out.<br /><br />3) Rapid swings needed for quick kill shots at short range targets are hard to do with heavy battle rifles. Hard to carry them at ready position for minutes at a time.<br /><br />4) It is poor tactical planning to rely on firing at human wave attacks from behind a fortified wall while under siege. What do you do come nightfall -- or against approaching trenches? You<br />have given up the initiative and are trapped.<br /><br /> Better to patrol and ambush threats far from your base -- and the assault rifles are better weapons for patrols than are the battle rifles.<br /><br />5) Sniper doctrine calls for one shot -one kill and then moving to a new position. The reason is that several shots allow the enemy to precisely locate your position: they can get a bearing and by counting the seconds of time lag between the crack of the bullet passing by them and the report from your rifle muzzle, the enemy can determine the distance to you. (Because bullet travels several times faster than speed of sound, the supersonic crack of it passing by will occur several seconds before the report from a firer's rifle is heard.)<br /><br />Whereas one shot out of the blue rarely betrays your position.<br /><br />A bolt rifle can be fired almost as rapidly as a battle rifle for the first 4 or 5 shots.<br /><br />The US Marines and Army found that it was much easier to maintain an accurate zero on a simple bolt action rifle being dragged through the field than it was for the mechanically complex battle rifles.<br /><br />And without a dependable zero, one shot-one kill doesn't work.Don Williamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-18927477865651346162010-07-02T06:29:59.549-07:002010-07-02T06:29:59.549-07:001) Most countries who adopted the FN FAL liked it,...1) Most countries who adopted the FN FAL liked it, aside from the weight. However, Israel dropped it and moved to develop the Galil (and AK-47 type design) because the IDF felt the FAL was prone to jamming in desert conditions (fine sand,etc.)<br /><br />See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL#Production_and_use and<br />scroll down to Israel.Don Williamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-8946535491132376582010-07-01T23:31:18.663-07:002010-07-01T23:31:18.663-07:00Thanx for the advice, Mr. Aguirre. Glock 32 or sam...Thanx for the advice, Mr. Aguirre. Glock 32 or same size in .45 ACP is likely next, then the FAL. You are welcome to give Jason my email address privately so I can send him the contact information, if you have time. I know you are busy, and once again I appreciate your time.<br />Thanx again!<br />E-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-78547444844731416682010-07-01T21:35:13.817-07:002010-07-01T21:35:13.817-07:00Having owned both a HK91 and DSA FAL go with the F...Having owned both a HK91 and DSA FAL go with the FAL. Both are good weapons but the ergonomics are much better on the FAL especially the location of the charging handle if you shoot left handed. Also, the FAL is lighter and the bolt locks open when the last round is fired while the HK does not. Some don't think a bolt hold open device is important but in a gunfight I want my weapons to let me know when my magazine is empty instead of hearing just a click when I try to shoot someone. The receiver of an HK91 is sheet metal and there was a gunsmith tool used to take dents out of the receiver. I would rather have a weapon that doesn't need such a tool. Concerning the SIG I have owned a 226 and a 239. They are without a doubt the best conventional double action pistols with good placement of the controls. However, double action pistol by their design violate the priniciple "consistency equals accuracy" by having two different trigger pull weights. Look at what most IDPA & IPSC shooters use. The top shooters all use pistols that have a single trigger pull (1911s & Glocks). Another thing to consider is the cost of magazines. Glocks cost about half of what SIG magazines run.Bill N.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-51771242480955846322010-07-01T20:02:34.546-07:002010-07-01T20:02:34.546-07:00HK mags (surplus G3 mags) are a buck each at cheap...HK mags (surplus G3 mags) are a buck each at cheaper than dirt - I doubt that you can touch a FAL mag for anywhere near that.<br /><br />They are the aluminum ones, and some might be banged up, but mine all look fine. They have steel ones for about $2. Mag pouches too.<br /><br />HK 91's may kick a bit more than an FAL (I have heard) but they have a reputation for complete reliability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-10621928740715587822010-07-01T16:51:35.615-07:002010-07-01T16:51:35.615-07:00I don't think you're going to beat $0.97 p...I don't think you're going to beat <a href="http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG304-36.html" rel="nofollow">$0.97 per magazine</a> for the HK. You have to be careful, because some of the clones aren't great, but if it's one of the SAR-8s with a Greek receiver, that's as good as it gets. $1000 is a screaming deal. If your emailer doesn't buy it, I hope he'll contact me so I can have it shipped from his local gun shop to my FFL. <br /><br />The main flaw of the HK is that it beats up brass due to its vigorous ejection, but that's exactly what makes it so reliable. It's also ergonomic, has good sights, and in my opinion, is just more <i>fun</i> than a FAL.<br /><br />SIGs are fine, and the 226 is the most common SIG. Not quite as durable as a Glock, but a little more elegant. If you're not a ninja, it's more likely that your biggest concern will be "Do I really want to carry the weight today?" than "Will it still work after I drag it through the mud?" If the sight of a nicely curved handgun with pretty grips sitting next to your wallet in the morning inspires you to pick it up and put it on just once when you wouldn't have otherwise... then it's actually worth it to buy the gun that gives you a little more pride of ownership.<br /><br />I'm not saying this because I'm a SIG fanboy. I have multiple Glocks and no SIG handguns. But I think we have to consider human nature as well as technical features. Some people just enjoy a more conventional handgun. As long as it feeds and functions, a gun you'll gladly carry day in and day out is the better gun.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15164612896234645132noreply@blogger.com