tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post6594007121328698408..comments2024-02-11T01:14:21.904-08:00Comments on SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: The use of Less than Lethal AmmoFerFALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07578136334334588454noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-45457620846104060742010-03-17T02:10:17.761-07:002010-03-17T02:10:17.761-07:00A guy in Chile :
"I've fired 500 of the ...A guy in Chile :<br /><br /><i>"I've fired 500 of the 2,000 rounds of ammunition I've got," says Mr Orellana, who works for the Ministry of Public Works, showing off his gun licence.<br /><br />"I fire over their heads to scare them off, and so far, it's worked." </i><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8550960.stm" rel="nofollow">Lawlessness after quake in Chile fishing village </a><br /><br />Maybe if he used LTL rounds to shoot people, it would have been more efficient.<br /><br />One could think that if Mr Orellana killed a dozen looters, maybe he would'nt have shot 500 rounds because people would have spread the word about the danger of looting in this area. But then he must have lived with it...Canis Lupushttp://le-projet-olduvai.kanak.frnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-58508078215507166942010-03-15T00:39:39.444-07:002010-03-15T00:39:39.444-07:00"For looters in Chile, who are just taking ad..."For looters in Chile, who are just taking advantage of the situation. And can intimidate people with knives or even a pistol to hand over their belongings. Shooting them with lethal ammo is entirely unnecessary and is actually foolish, you didn't handle the situation properly."<br /><br />Huh - so killing someone who is threatening to harm or kill you with a knife or a pistol is foolish. That has got to be the most idiotic comment I have seen in quite a while. Do you expect everyone to just hand over all their personal belongings to the looters? Or are the looters just poor, mis-understood individuals who really don't deserve getting the consequences of their choices?<br /><br />"The more civilized one is the less he should resort to violence."<br /><br />So police and military obviously aren't very civilized since all of their actions are based on the threat or realization of violence.<br /><br />"You risk revenge attacks if you kill anyone in addition to jail time."<br /><br />So I should be more concerned about some potential future threat than the person standing in front of me, threatening me? <br /><br />"You will need to justify killing someone in a court of law, remember that. In such a situation you aren't alone in your house and its not your word against the perps, in a public situation like that there are alot of witnesses and the police will find out what really happened, not the story you tell yourself to justify your actions."<br /><br />Witnesses go both ways. If someone is threatening me in front of numerous witnesses, my defense for killing him just got a whole lot easier. <br /><br />Self defense in the US (excluding libtard areas such as California and Chicago) is pretty simple - did the person have a reasonable reason to feel at risk for death or serious bodily harm. If, God forbid, I am ever in such a situation, I will defend myself to the utmost extent possible, and that will not be using non-lethal ammo.Fredonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-68250641383609604102010-03-14T17:33:26.187-07:002010-03-14T17:33:26.187-07:00No need for scare tactics.
Any 'warning' ...No need for scare tactics.<br /><br />Any 'warning' shot must be done behind cover. Whether with rubber or metal bullets. It is incredibly obvious that if you fire at someone they will fire back, if they have a gun. But do they want to shoot their way in? Not really, the just want to get away to safety.<br /><br />What your talking about is specific situation the variables of which we just don't know. In anycase, I doubt the guy was behind cover when he got shot anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-46255469723775411932010-03-14T06:33:47.048-07:002010-03-14T06:33:47.048-07:00Anonymous said "Only later would they realize...Anonymous said "Only later would they realize it was a non lethal round."<br /><br />That point is key, because the attacker could be carring too.<br /><br />A few weeks ago, here in Argentina a guy with his family found a roadblock used to rob the ones who stoped.<br /><br />This guy stoped to remove the roadblock but he made a warning shot to the air before, the robbers instantly killed him.<br /><br />In the time you pump your shotgun a guy can hit you. <br /><br />My 2 cents.APXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947311556621389074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-66008655306910581792010-03-14T01:26:33.044-08:002010-03-14T01:26:33.044-08:00Thank you for the quick answer !
Police forces us...Thank you for the quick answer !<br /><br />Police forces use LTL ammo against looters, so why shouldn't we ?<br /><br />Rubber buckshot rounds are said to be louder than reguler rounds for an additionnal fear factor, anyone can confirm this ?Etiennenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-29282233788018393742010-03-13T17:35:14.828-08:002010-03-13T17:35:14.828-08:00I'd say the niche situations are even more nic...I'd say the niche situations are even more niche, a normal shot via shotgun or any type of gun, that ricochets close to the person your trying to warn. Is pretty damn intimidating. A lot of countries that can't afford rubber bullets do this.<br /><br />But definitely the intimidation factor of being 'shot' would make one rethink ones attack. Only later would they realize it was a non lethal round.<br /><br />For looters in Chile, who are just taking advantage of the situation. And can intimidate people with knives or even a pistol to hand over their belongings. Shooting them with lethal ammo is entirely unnecessary and is actually foolish, you didn't handle the situation properly. The more civilized one is the less he should resort to violence. You risk revenge attacks if you kill anyone in addition to jail time. You will need to justify killing someone in a court of law, remember that. In such a situation you aren't alone in your house and its not your word against the perps, in a public situation like that there are alot of witnesses and the police will find out what really happened, not the story you tell yourself to justify your actions.<br /><br />Incidentally this supports the use of magazine fed weapons, seeing as one can easily switch between non-lethal rounds and lethal rounds. Which would reflect the period in a conflict where intimidation ends and fighting for your life begins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-44506049083927437632010-03-13T14:26:13.841-08:002010-03-13T14:26:13.841-08:00I believe...but don't quote me on this...that ...I believe...but don't quote me on this...that use of LTL rounds in the US is legally considered to be on a par with use of regular ammo.Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8939666320943790100.post-16796082860519507152010-03-13T08:29:01.230-08:002010-03-13T08:29:01.230-08:00salt rounds no longer allowed in NY according to m...salt rounds no longer allowed in NY according to my dealer.<br /><br />:(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com