Friday, November 1, 2013

Choosing a SHTF gun in Canada‏

Hi Fernando, I'd love your opinion on choosing SHTF gun in Canada. Briefly our laws separate our firearms Prohibited (can't have em AKs, Fal etc), Restricted (handguns and short military style rifles that you cam bring to the range only) and Non restricted (long rifles and shotguns that aren't registered and the government doesn't know you have em). My 2 main options are SKS non restricted and handgun restricted, I know your opinion on rifles and handguns but for whatever reason the government decide to pull the guns out, they have no info on your long rifle while the handguns are all registered. Handgun practical self defense and SKS reliable no one knows I have it firearm, which should I go with in that scenario?
Thank you Ferfal

Hi! Canada isn’t USA but still it isn’t that bad in term of gun laws.

You can own handguns in Canada as long as the barrel is 106mm (4.15")  or longer. I would get a Glock as my first gun. A Glock in 9mm would be a great first choice, but given that you are limited to 10 round magazines you may want to go for a Glock in 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 357 SIG or 10mm. I would start with a 9mm so as to shoot cheaper ammo for cheaper training. Besides, 9mm works well, parts for a Glock 17 or 19 are plentiful and 9mm ammo is easy to find. 

As for a rifle, the SKS sure isn’t a bad choice. Just find a brand of soft point ammo that shoots well in it and stock up. Put a red dot scope and a good s synthetic stock and you have a handy little carbine with good stoping power.
Besides that I would get a 22LR semi auto carbine and revolver. That would round up your survival gun battery nicely. You don’t have to buy them all at once but that’s what I would aim for.

I wouldn’t worry about Canada going after your guns. I’m not saying it can’t happen, I’m just saying I don’t see it very likely right now so that’s why I would go with a handgun first and then when money is available add the SKS.



Anonymous said...

I'm almost afraid to ask, Ferfal, but what do you think about military bolt actions? I'm just not a fan of semi-auto rifles. I like the simplicity, durability, and accuracy of bolt actions. Mausers, Enfields, Mosin Nagants, even the new Ruger Scout Rifle. Do you think they are viable alternatives?

Anonymous said...

Nothing beats a 12 gauge pump shotgun for sheer versatility. With a wide variety of ammo you can take birds to deer and anything in between, not to mention effective self defense. Most countries allow shotguns of one sort or another - no reason not to have one.

Anonymous said...

I have a 20 gauge loaded with buckshot (#4). It will shoot through a piece of coat leather and about 4 milk jugs filled with water. I've only shot two deer with it and they collapsed instantly. The 20 gauge is smaller and allows for much easier/faster movement and delivers a payload that is more than enough for any biped. Also, my wife can manage the recoil much more easily than a 12 gauge. I can only think of two reasons for a 12 gauge: 1) waterfowl with steel shot and 2) slugs in bear country.

Anonymous said...

Well, actually, I would worry about the wrong government party going after Canadian guns. The liberal party has it basically as party platform to restrict/ban all private gun ownership. So they wont be going door to door, but they will make it a crime to be found with one.
With that in mind I'd have at least one non-reg rifle compatible with pistol mags so you can legally have a 10 round magazine for it. I'd also have another rifle, reg or non reg, with a large capacity magazine reduced to 5 rounds with a rivet. If/when noone will be going round checking for rivets being in place, you at least have a full capacity capable magazine in your possession.

Steve said...

Semi Auto rifles with a five shot magazine are legal in Canada. It seems you can buy them with the lowest level of lic.

Liberals do not want to take guns away from people, only that guns be registered so if they are involved in a crime their ownership can be tracked. Also if an individual has a suspicions collection they would be flagged for investigation. Comparing gun crime and death between US and Canada, it would seem Liberals have done a pretty good job on balance

Anonymous said...

>Liberals do not want to take guns away from people

Well, maybe some individual liberal people dont, but the capital 'L' Liberal Party does. I could easily refer to other Canadian specific forums and sites that can detail some of the things they do if they were given a free hand on the laws.
You could talk about the usefulness of spending $2billion on the long gun registry, compared to putting that money into other law enforcement activities to curb crime. I'm still waiting(and will wait forever) for someone to give me just ONE example of how the long gun registry solved a crime that was otherwise unsolveable. $2bil for zero crime reduction. Awesome.
And as for 'dont want to take guns away from people', well, they are actively reclassifying legal firearms to make them 'prohibited', giving you 30 days to surrender them. Sure, they havent done it that much yet, but they arent in power either.

James O'D said...

Steve: that claim about "Liberals do not want to take guns away from people, only that guns be registered so if they are involved in a crime their ownership can be tracked." is exactly the same line of nonsense that the gun-grabbers in the US have said. And once they got their registration laws enacted, they kept right on grabbing. And the supposed value of registration for investigating crimes? Turned out to be completely uselsss. Violent criminals don't register their guns. Law-abiding people who register their guns aren't the ones who are robbing and shooting people. Gun registration only enables gun confiscation.

Just as the British enacted registration to "keep guns out of the wrong hands" and then decided that any non-government hands were "the wrong hands" for all handguns, all semiautomatics and most rifles.

Just as Australia enacted registration and then used those registration lists to "buy back" --- backed up by cops with guns and threats of prison --- registered guns when the Australian government decided that people couldn't be trusted.

The difference between the US and Canada has nothing to do with US and Canadian gun laws, and everything to do with the behaviors of some subcultures. The homicide rate in Nunavut (21.0 murders per 100,000 people) dwarfs that of any state in the US, almost twice that of the highest US state (Louisiana at 11.1/100k) despite Louisiana's very liberal gun laws and "shall-issue" concealed weapon permit law that lets any adult with a clean record to get a permit.

The rates in the Maritimes (NS 2.33/100k, NB 1.06/100k, PEI 0.69/100k) are nearly identical to those in the nearby US states (ME 2.0/100k, NH 1.2/100k, VT 1.8/100k) despite the extremely liberal guns laws on the US side of the border, where Maine and New Hampshire have "shall issue" permits, and Vermont doesn't even require a permit to carry; and none of them restrict ownership of handguns, "assault weapons" or large magazines.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of good deals in Canada with the availability of cheap Norinco/Dominion firearms and Ammo. I know people who have problems with the origin of this stuff (china) but the quality is pretty good.

For example, a website I've bought from in the past (Canada Ammo, no affiliation) offers package deals for fairly cheap. M14 clone with 1000 rounds of .308,cost about 800 dollars, 1911 clone with 1000 rounds of .45 is 500 dollars. That isn't chump change, but it's a quick and relatively affordable way of acquiring a decent collection.

Add a decent 12 gauge to that list and you're pretty much set for most situations.

Anonymous said...

i use a sig m400 ar-15 in 556 and a jericho 941 in 40 S&W
my wife has a tar-21 and a glock 17
those are main choices