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Monday, December 17, 2012

Relocating to Canada: Ontario

Blog reader and contributor J. Vanne continues to share his knowledge regarding Canada. Thanks J. for taking the time!
 FerFAL

Central Canada:   Ontario

In this article, I continue to look at Canada as a relocation possibility. This time, we examine Ontario, known as Upper Canada (as in “up” the St. Lawrence River) in olden days. We will not examine “Lower Canada” – Quebec – as in my opinion, anyone relocating to Quebec, known as La Belle Province (The Beautiful Province), to avoid an economic or societal meltdown may as well also look at Greece, Spain or Argentina. Yes, Montreal is a fun city, and there are indeed areas, such as the eastern townships (for example the area around Sherbrooke, Quebec) that are similar to Vermont in terms of agricultural activities. However, Quebec has serious issues. Yes, the separatist movement has died down, as the “pure laines” (the pure blood French) have aborted themselves into oblivion, and immigrants know their collective gooses would be cooked in an independent Canada. They are also aware that Quebec, which has a population of around 8 million – not all of which are francophones – exists in a sea of just under 400 million in North America (if one excludes Mexico). Exactly what kind of economic future does one have as a unilingual francophone is not question that goes unasked for immigrants to Quebec. All of this notwithstanding, Montreal – which was originally the hub of business for Canada until the separatists pushed that down the 401 highway to Toronto in the 1980s – is making a bit of a comeback relative to economic activities today.

There are other issues. Quebec is dyed in the wool socialist. In fact, one individual ran for provincial premier a few years ago advocating for a four day work week (heck, why not advocate for a TWO day workweek, as long as one is at it!). The aboriginal peoples want nothing to do with the French – and they inhabit around 90% of the landmass, including the area up around James Bay and Hudson Bay, which are the sites of massive hydroelectric dams that create a goodly amount of revenue for the province. And here’s the issue with that: During the last serious separatist referendum in the early 1990s (I lived in Ottawa, and also just across the border in Quebec during that period), a referendum was taken of the aboriginal peoples. The result? 95% (!) wanted to stay with English Canada if there was a separation. Would this result in violence? The Oka crisis of two decades ago showed the native peoples could, in fact, resort to violence. What would happen to revenue from electricity transmission to the US, a major source funds for Quebec, if the aboriginal people blew up a pylon providing electricity to the US? You can bet your bottom dollar that would be a social and political nightmare. Meanwhile, If you are anglophone, there still is some anti-English sentiment (you will be a “squarehead” or one of “the evil English” if you are not French, to some people). There is more, but the key issue is that  I will not take the time to review Quebec in that it is mostly kneejerk leftist. End of story in my books.

Incidentally, if you really want Gallic culture, have you considered St. Pierre and Miquelon? Two small islands off of Newfoundland, they are literally part of France. They are tiny – but something to keep in the back of your mind, if for no other reason than to win a pink pie in Trivial Pursuit.

Note that I do not have any animosity to Quebeckers. I have many Quebecois friends, and some are as conservative as you or me. I have lived in Quebec, and was married in Quebec.  But, similar to California, you will be in sea of leftists, and that should be a central consideration, if, in fact, there is some type of economic meltdown. Quebec alternates between being run by the uber left Bloc Quebecois, the leftist Liberal party, and now the hyper left NDP party is also making inroads. You might be better off in Chavez’s Venezuela – at least the gasoline is cheaper.
The above being said, let’s turn to Ontario. As noted in my previous articles, the great divide between west and east is that after one leaves Winnipeg, Manitoba – which is just off the map on the far left of the chart below – there is very little until one reaches the Toronto area. Thus, there is a massive, discrete physical, geographic divide in Canada that the US simply doesn’t have. This is due to the Canadian Shield area north of Lake Superior, which does not support much of anything other than fishing,  mining and a few polar bears if you get far enough north.

A nice smaller city – around 100,000 people – is Thunder Bay, right on Lake Superior, and just up the road a few hours from Duluth, MN.  One of the economic strengths of Thunder Bay is that Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba grain shipments – which aren’t going away anytime soon, no matter what the economic situation – all route from the Canadian prairies through the massive port facilities in Thunder Bay. A second small city Sault Ste Marie, a town to the east of Thunder Bay, with 20,000 less souls in its census, is also nice, if you like the terrain of northern Michigan.  As with the prairie provinces, towns like Thunder Bay are cold in the wintertemperatures can easily reach below –40 F and more (minus 40 C is approximately the same in Fahrenheit, by way of reference).  Two other limitations of these cities – and others in Ontario: the choices of the politically correct masses in Toronto, which continue to drift leftward, will drive your electoral realities in these outlying areas, even if Toronto is a very full day’s drive away; the other negative is that you will also find the soil is not as rich for farming or gardening here as in the west – although hunting and fishing will be superb.
On the plus side, Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie (called “the Soo” by locals) feel bigger than their populations, as they are regional centres for the surrounding towns. Thunder Bay has a university (see Lakehead University’s website at http://www.lakeheadu.ca/,) some cultural activities, regularly scheduled jet service, and I have spent many years working on projects for the main hospital there, which provides good care for patients, given the limits of Canadian socialized medicine. Housing prices have not skyrocketed in these areas as they have in the Toronto region. This region (particularly the town of Sudbury, although I do not recommend this as an option) is also a centre for metals mining (such as nickel). If your analysis is bullish on the mininig sector, you may want to examine this region more.

My suggestions for northern Ontario are three-fold: Thunder Bay, St. Joseph Island, outside of Ste. Ste. Marie, or – if one wants to be more isolated – Manitoulin Island (which is the world’s largest fresh water island) in northern Lake Huron.

I have already alluded to the strengths and weaknesses of Thunder Bay, so let’s move on to St. Joseph Island, just over 35 miles outside of Ste. Ste Marie (Sugar Island is another, closer option). As noted, “the Soo” is a regional centre. Yes, it does get a lot of snow in the winter; on the other hand, you are surrounded by the fresh water of Lake Superior and Lake Huron. Does your calculus include water shortages in the future? This is one place you certainly will not have to worry about that problem!  As you see in the map below, St. Joseph Island is just to the east of the upper peninsula of Michigan. Access by any “zombie hordes” – if it comes to that – would have to come cross the international border, cross the bridge into the Soo, then drive down to St. Joseph Island by crossing another small bridge. Most likely, there will be very few of those “Golden Horde” leftists from California or “where’s my free phone and food stamps” types from Detroit in your locale there, if we do have a zombie apocalypse!


St. Joseph Island is mostly flat, not heavily populated, and amenable to growing your own crops – albeit with the shorter growing season found in this part of the world. The land is not the rich black loess of the prairies, but certainly you will have no problem growing most crops here, as long as you aren’t planning for pineapples or cotton. You will be in a more rural area, but not  isolated by any means.
 
Next at bat: Manitoulin Island. To start with, Manitoulin Island is much more remote than St. Joseph Island. The main island website to start your research is at http://www.manitoulin-island.com/. This site will also have land for sale, as well as accommodation links if you visit.  The island basically slants from west to east, and some sections can be boggy, so be careful if you buy land. As with the rest of northern Ontario, Dignam sells quite a few parcels of rural land at www.dignam.com, including on Manitoulin. As noted earlier, rural land does not have “comps,” so valuation can be difficult. My experience  with Dignam has been very good, but of course you will need to do your own due diligence. Manitoulin has some aboriginal lands, and my own experience has been that, as a generalization, often the First Nations people can be a bit lax in their property upkeep, to put it nicely. Just something to keep in mind if this is an issue for you.  There is only one bridge onto the island from the north, and there is a seasonal ferry from Tobermory on the Bruce Peninsula, which is to the southeast. Manitoulin Island would be an ideal retreat, or second property, for those seeking a more remote location if things go really “south” (as in, say… Paraguay!)

Moving to the rest of Ontario, I will suggest two locations for you: a.) The Bruce Peninsula, or b.) some of the towns in eastern Ontario along Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence Seaway. I strongly recommend against Toronto and environs – and those “environs” reach up to a two to three hour drive outside of this megalopolis. The Bruce Peninsula – that thumb sticking out in a northwest direction towards Manitoulin Island – is basically too far from the teaming Toronto masses to cause the usual problems of a megalopolis or its overflow. However, once one reaches south of Owen Sound at the base of the thumb, one starts to see Toronto spill over. Toronto – by some accounts the world’s most multicultural city – is, in my opinion, in yet another of their periodic housing booms that always end in tears. See http://thepoog.com/?p=3963 for a recent update on the housing bubble. Toronto is also not crime free, as some Americans like to imagine (there was shooting at a mall there the same week of the Aurora, CO. shooting, and a few years earlier, and al Qaeda affiliate was training to conduct a major attack on the Toronto, which was apprehended just in time). In a soft or hard downturn, Toronto would not be a place to be. Yet, from the Bruce Peninsula, one is a little over three hours from the city, so shopping, theatre, sports – all are accessible. If you do explore this area, the western coast of Bruce Peninsula is shallower and the lake is often spoiled by waterfowl droppings. The land is also more “scrubby” in terms of its rockiness and its vegetation. In contrast, the eastern shore on Georgian Bay is much more scenic, and has much deeper water, which is cleaner and a more pure blue. Sailing is very big on Georgian Bay, attracting Toronto wealth, and as sailing tends to done more often by the relatively wealthy, this attraction of the well-to-do may create some opportunity for the entrepreneur.  There is also some land that is farmable in the area.  The Bruce Peninsula is part of the Niagara Escarpment that starts around Niagara Falls, goes through Manitoulin Island, and continues on to the UP of Michigan and into Wisconsin. A certain percentage of the population is seasonal, so that may be a consideration in your analysis. My suggestion to start looking would be the town of Lion’s Head, ON. You can get a feel for the town by starting the town’s website of http://www.thebrucepeninsula.com/lionshead/. Population reaches up to 5,000 in the summer. Alternatively, Tobermory – shown with the marker below – is further out. The land is not exceptionally rich, but gardening is certainly possible. The Bruce Peninsula website is at http://www.brucepeninsula.org/


Thunder Bay, Ste. Ste. Marie, Manitoulin Island and the Bruce Peninsula are all on a different – and colder – weather track than Toronto. Temperatures will be slightly warmer as one moves west to east from Thunder Bay, but not by much.

Politically, Ontario is currently run by the left leaning Liberal party out of Queen’s Park, Toronto. This socialist tendency is somewhat kept in check by the fact that the left knows it cannot bite the business hand that feeds it, or they will cut off their money supply. There is an on-going battle between conservatives and Bay Street (the equivalent of Wall Street in the US), and the free lunch/big government types. Unfortunately, as www.thepoog.com points out, Ontario is now deeply in the financial hole. Some links for your consideration on the issue of Ontario’s solvency:
Ontario is Not California (it’s worse) http://thepoog.com/?p=3963
Ontario, You are in Really Deep Trouble,  http://thepoog.com/?p=2050

Or the tongue-in-cheek The Bright Future of Solar Energy and Green Jobs in Ontario at
http://thepoog.com/?p=1820

Finally, let’s move to eastern Ontario, where I will present several mid-size cities for your consideration: Kingston, Belleville, and several towns an 30 to 60 minutes east of Ottawa, the nation’s capitol.

Kingston – yet another town I have lived and worked in – is the former capitol of Canada, and home of the prestigious Queen’s University. Located where Lake Ontario empties into the St. Lawrence Seaway, halfway between Toronto and Montreal, this town of about 150,000 has many of the advantages of a larger city, with few of the drawbacks. The city website is at http://www.cityofkingston.ca/index.asp. Extensive medical facilities, one of the premier universities in Canada, and a two hour drivfe from Ottawa make this city somewhat resilient in a more mild downturn. In a zombie apocalypse scenario, the land is reasonably fertile, the weather track is milder than the Thunder Bay/Ste. Ste Marie/Bruce Peninsula areas noted above, and there is quite a bit of land available outside of the city. Neither Kingston or, Belleville  get the snow that Ottawa does, and if you are familiar with the snow that Buffalo gets, these cities are not on the same lake effect weather track.

West of Kingston down the 401 highway – the main artery from Montreal to Toronto to Detroit – is Belleville. And yes, I have family there, too. (It only seems like I have lived everywhere in Canada!) Belleville is still has some spillover from Toronto, but at this point it is at the far reaches of that urban sprawl. Prince Edward County, south across the bridge from Belleville, has access to the town of Belleville, population 50,000, and is highly recommended. Conducting business in Toronto from Belleville/Prince Edward County is do-able, but not with a daily commute. Prince Edward County is more rural, sedate and the weather is moderated by the lake. In a moderate economic meltdown, one has access – as noted – to Toronto to conduct business; in a more serious societal breakdown, the mere 200 kilometers from the downtown core of Toronto could leave one exposed to urban spillover. Websites for Prince Edward County are http://prince-edward-county.com/ and  http://gocanada.about.com/od/ontario/tp/prince_edward_county.htm


The final towns to consider in Ontario are some of the “exurbs” of Ottawa. Ottawa has historically weathered downturns in that, being the nation’s capital, it was not susceptible to the business cycle, or the resource downturns the west experienced. Yes, government could suffer in a retrenchment phase, but the cadre of government workers are generally fairly well protected. As noted earlier, Canada cleaned up its financial house over a decade ago (at least relative to other western countries), so in a mild downturn, the city could perhaps be somewhat resilient. In fact, the 2008 bust left the city relatively unscathed (emphasis on the word “relatively!”). Ottawa is on a different weather track from Belleville and Kingston, and it is colder and more snowy. On the other hand, as the nation’s capital, it has all the advantages of a large city – theater, cultural attractions, and the like – without the crime, pollution or traffic. Winter is not unbearable, either, with Mont Treblant and its world class downhill skiing only two hours away, some of the best cross-county skiing in the world just across the river in the Gatineau Hills, and the world’s largest winter carnival, Winterlude, occurring in mid-winter. The city is bisected by the Rideau Canal, which doubles as the world’s longest skating rink (yes, in fact I have seen people ice skating to work with their brief cases). A full winter – as opposed to ones found in many US cities, such as Chicago, where it snows, then melts, then leaves frozen crusts of dirty brown snow banks and exposed with dead grass, then gets cold again  – can be enjoyable for many.

As a metro area of around one million – including the population across the river in Quebec – Ottawa is not small; however, it is not a megalopolis either.  The eastern side of the city tends to be more French, and the western side more English. There is also a moderately sized high tech corridor in the western Ottawa suburb of Kanata. Part of the metro Ottawa area is immediately across a few short bridges in Gatineau, Quebec.

In a more serious societal meltdown, Ottawa would have issues in that it is cold, and the population base is large enough to create problems. As well, if government employment “went south,” the city would be hit, and hit badly. However, it appears, as of 2012, Canada – while definitely not trouble free – is not in the league of Greece, Spain, Portugal or Ireland, either.

For towns to consider in eastern Ontario outside of Ottawa, I am going to suggest the smaller towns of historic Perth (http://www.beautifulperth.com/ ), population 6,000,  50 miles southwest of Ottawa, Kemptville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemptville ), population 3,500, 55 km south of Ottawa and a couple kilometers off the Rideau River (yes, I am indeed trying to wean you into kilometer usage!) and Carleton Place (http://www.carletonplace.com/carleton_place ) population 10,000, 30 miles southwest of Ottawa). All except Perth are easily accessible via four lane highway to the city core, but far enough outside of the city to provide privacy, more moderate housing prices, and land that is cultivatable. There are a number of other small towns around Kemptville that also may well be worth exploring (e.g., Burritt’s Rapids, on the Rideau River). Within the city, Ottawa has an international airport, and Montreal is two hours away from the downtown. You will not want for cultural or natural attractions in the Ottawa area. As part of the National Capitol Region is in Quebec, a short bridge span across the Ottawa River, you will have a good amount of French influence, but without the historical French grievances against the English that used to be evident in Montreal (and even this is much more muted now, though not non-existent). In the past, my comment was always that in Ottawa, the French populace were bilingual; in Montreal, they could speak English, but wouldn’t; and in Quebec City they simply can’t (speak English) -  Quebec City is only 5% anglophone. Assuming you are and English speaker (anglophone), the west and south of Ottawa tends to be more English, and the east side has more French, although this far from an ironclad rule.

Before we close this article, I am going to add one additional area of consideration in Ontario – the region halfway between Detroit and Toronto. Land here is exceptionally fertile, the latitude is actually the same as northern California, and one is far enough away from Toronto to not have any spillover effect from the big bad GTA (Greater Toronto Area). Specifically, I am going to recommend the town of Blenheim, located at (A) below (city website at http://blenheimontario.com/ ). Winters are moderate, and soil is exceptionally rich, the land is well watered, and population density is very low. As there is only the Ambassador Bridge and the tunnel into Canada from Detroit, there is no urban Detroit spillover even immediately across the river in the town of Windsor, Ontario. Even in a “zombie apocalypse” scenario, there would probably be little to no migration across the Canadian border, and almost nothing an hour east on the two lane roads leading to this town. There are many small towns in this area, but I would not suggest too much farther east, because as you progress that direction, more and more outflow from Toronto will be noticed.


This ends the summary for Ontario. Again, as noted throughout my articles, my goal is to provide options for people as they prepare for either a soft or hard (perhaps even apocalyptic) downturn in any number of scenarios, while not ignoring the fact that, as John Maynard Keynes once noted (and no, I don’t like Keynes either!), “The market (or in this case, our prepper prognostications) can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” Similar to today, on the one hand there are many stories of people who sold everything and moved to the desert in preparation for Y2K, but that was not the hard coda to the music many expected (personally, I did prep for Y2K, and have absolutely no regrets about doing so. As a matter of fact, there were a number of things that did happen; as well, there was a massive amount of remediation that changed tipped the balance – and of course, the embedded chips did not go out, another major factor). On the other hand, there were many Jews who thought that Germany would never get worse than it was in 1937, and remained asleep – and by the time they woke up shortly after that, it was too late to flee. Where are we in this continuum of possible outcomes? I don’t know – only the Lord does. However, it is this same Lord that has told us in Proverbs 27:12 – ”
The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”

If you see danger, I hope some of the detail provided here helps you, or some of your friends.

Next up: Canada’s Maritime provinces

7 comments:

Steve said...

You cant beat the Banna Belt. Food is the new gold. Water the new oil. This is some of the best land in the world for organic farming. Global Warming Gods love Canada. You can buy a farm on the shore of Lake Erie well south of $1 million.

Don Williams said...

I was wondering about Canada's food supply in the event of a collapse. Canada appears to export a huge surplus of cereals (wheat, maize,etc.) has to import a lot of legumes/beans and fruit(vitamins.)

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cimt-cicm/chapter-chapitre;jsessionid=2588FD44493053931ADE178F9450AE28?countryId=999&usaState=0&sectionId=2&dataTransformation=0&sectionLabel=II+-+Vegetable+products&provId=1&freq=6&refMonth=10&lang=eng&refYr=2012

Don Williams said...

Great info, by the way. thanks.

Unknown said...

Grew up in southern Ontario and moved to Michigan. Anticipating the crisis that seems to be brewing, I'm considering moving back to the Chatham area.
Pros to moving
-Decent farmland, although overpriced.
-fewer people
-nice libraries
-Leamington and Rondeau Park
Cons to moving
-Socialist government
-Higher tax burden
-restrictive gun laws to defend one's self.
Note: I've read FerFAL's book. I prep. Canadians would do well to read it. They will have to deal with the coming impact of the American implosion.

DanT said...

As a Canadian who is well prepped, I would request that everyone stay away from Canada - we don't need any more people here to use the often disdained social services like medicare.
FerFal, I suspect that you and yours are taking full advantage of the Northern Ireland social safety net - medicare etc.

Anonymous said...

First a couple of things.

1) There are FEMA camps being built here as well. The one outside of Ottawa on the way to Kemptville is surround with Razor wire and should be able to house/process around a million. Which matches the one out side to the North of Toronto which also should be able to process around a million people. (think we really spent 40 billion on solar/wind development, if we spent it, we wouldn't be having brown outs now)

2) I own a farm in the Valley, I can't get enough diesel. I have money to buy it. It just can't be found in enough quantity. So crops can be planted, just not harvested. Didn't really matter much this past summer anyways, everything died from an abnormally dry summer. It was so bad the pot growers didn't manage to grow anything either (that's the Valley's cash crop..pot)

3) Ottawa has no control outside of it's own city and it is a massive shithole. We invited people from other countries that continue to have their tribal warfare here as an extension of eastern Africa. Toronto is worse.

So Canada isn't an option unless you've got land already and you better OWN it, not mortgage it.

Better place in Canada to be is the East Coast. Cheap. It's already be destroyed economically by the lack of fishing, logging, mining...etc (think a coal mine runs forever, 250 years is a long time.)

Anonymous said...

curious how you explain the comment,

"As there is only the Ambassador Bridge and the tunnel into Canada from Detroit, there is no urban Detroit spillover even immediately across the river in the town of Windsor, Ontario. Even in a “zombie apocalypse” scenario, there would probably be little to no migration across the Canadian border..."

What's to keep the hordes from overwhelming the border guards, much as would happen in any refugee situation like what's happening along the Syria/Jordan border now?