Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Disaster & Rioting: Should you BUG IN or BUG OUT?


Anonymous said...

You should only leave if you have no choice or if you have another more secure and stocked location.

Maldek said...

When you said "take your 100K pesos and change them into U$ is no option anymore".

Wouldnt it still be possible to take these 100K pesos and drive to Ciudad del este/foz de iguacu and use one of the many "cambios" in the area?

(After that of course not back to argentina anymore)

Don Williams said...

Re Maldek "After that of course not back to argentina anymore"
1) Why not? Looking at the border overhead with Google maps/satellite view, it looks like Argentina's border with Paraguay is hundreds of miles long with only a small stream as a barrier. And I would think it would be hard for Argentina to put lots of guards/alarms systems on it, given the state of the economy.

I do notice that roads/settlements seem to end 15 kilometers or so short of the border on the Argentina side -- and I assume the Argentina police monitor vehicles on roads in the border area.

Still, Is it that difficult to move between the two countries, if you don't mind a 40 kilometer hike?

Maldek said...


The area around CdE (second largest free trade zone in the world) is infamous for its drug and smuggling operations.

I would not advice to walk around the area on foot or at night; even less with ~U$ 20 000 in cash.
Many people in the area would kill you for a U$ 100 bill without a second thought.

That said, during the day (until dusk), on the main roads and in one of the hundreds shopping malls, ciudad del este is my favorite spot for shopping.
Almost nothing you can not buy there - and I mean it.

But a hike? Or a tour at night? No thanks.

KretinaK said...



LA CAMPORA - a semi military style terrorist organization that is led by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's son - MaximoKirchner. It is named after former a known Argentine terrorist of the Peronist political party former president Héctor José Cámpora. Although it was established in 2003, it became politically influential after the death and state funeral of Néstor Kirchner. Maximo Kirchner used money that his father Nestor Kirchner left him in his will to further the organization and take part in expropiations of private property, the oil company YPF, which Argentina expropiated (stole) from the government of Spain, and Aerolineas Argentinas also expropiated (stolen) from the government of Spain. The airline is going to be renamed "Aerocamporas Argentinas" by the end of the year.

La Campora hopes to imitate the terrorist organization to which Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner belonged to when she was younger, called Montoneros. Montoneros was responsable for kidnappings, murders, armed robberies of business owners and members of the opposition government in Argentina during the 1970s. The group vindicates the actions of the guerilla group Montoneros, and thus was named after Héctor José Cámpora, who had favored them. However, most members are too young to know first-hand about the 1970 conflicts in Argentina, but follow their methodologies of state sponsored terrorism.

The methodology of the modern group is very similar to the Montoneros, aiming to harass, destroy and silence critics of the Kirchner administration and promote their allies in blogs, Facebook, Twitter and other social networks on the internet and to steadily encroach on key positions in the state. After the death of Néstor Kirchner, Cristina Fernández instructed that the lists of candidates for provincial legislators included at least five members of the Cámpora.

VATAYON MILITANTE - The Argentine government under Cristina Fernandez de Kircher and The Argentine National penitentiary service, takes inmates out of jail without judicial permission, to attend and participate in political events of Kirchner. The prisoners are paid an "allowance" of $2700 per month for joining this political group. The creation of this Vatayon militante group which are CONVICTED AND INCARCERATED for everything from murderer to armed robbery is becoming the Kirchner government's militant force of the future. If things get rough for Cristina, these prisoners have nothing to lose for defending the Kirchner movement with violence. They also have access to guns and drugs, and prostitues all courtesy of the Kirchner government.

The prisoners who are chosen attend these events, is left up to the to the head of the Argentine National Penitentiary Service, Victor Hortel who is a very close ally of Cristina's government He is a former prisoner himself and has very close ties with prison gangs, and has been known to release prisoners at night to go out to steal and even kill, in exchange for drugs, sex and money. Rewarding criminals and prisoners for political purposes, violating all sorts of rules and laws, is proof of the form of government that Argentina is living with and will only get worse in the months and years ahead, especially if Cristina moved forward with her proposal to change the Argentine constitution to allow for her re-re-election for an unlimited amount of presidential terms.

See these documentaries to see the scary truth as to what is going on in Argentina: