Saturday, June 27, 2009

More on A-flu in Argentina and face masks

Anonymous Don Williams said...

1) I hope you and your family remain reasonably well, Ferfal. (I know you are sick, but my understanding is that so far it has been like the ordinary flu for you. Hopefully, you and your family will recover shortly -- and possibly have an immunity to more dangerous versions of this flu if they crop up in the future.)

2) I have an update to some comments I made re N95 masks a few weeks ago.

I bought a few of the expensive ($4 per mask) masks certifed by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in pandemics.

3) As far as I can determine, the FDA's mask's only advantages (over the more common and cheaper N95 masks used in building construction) is that the FDA mask is shaped so as to make it easier for untrained people to establish an airtight seal. Plus , it has a slightly plastic? outer coating that supposedly makes it more impervious to liquids being spilled on it from outside.

4) A FDA pamplet provided with the mask notes that flu viruses are too small to be screened out by an N95 mask and hence that protection against the flu can not be guaranteed.

My understanding , however, is that the mask can greatly Reduce the likelihood of contracting the flu because it can filter out the water droplets in the air formed by sneezes on which viruses ride -- and that the flu virus can not survive long without a water host (i.e.,can't live for very long after the water droplet on which it resides evaporates.)

5) As I noted earlier, however, some experts think that a N95 mask which has become very moist (from being saturated by water vapor from exhaled breaths) can allow flu viruses on the outside surface to migrate through the filter into the mask's inner surface where they can be inhaled. The FDA pamphlet does not discuss this but merely says to discard a mask if it becomes difficult to breathe through the mask.

6) As far as I can tell from the FDA and the US Center for Disease Control, no one has done a scientific test to determine how much protection N95 masks provide --and for how long.

6) In my opinion, it is best to have a lot of the masks (at least 100 per person ) and to discard each mask after 2 or 3 hours of use. Obviously, it would be best to never get within 6 feet of a sick person but people may be sick for a day or so without showing obvious symptons.

June 27, 2009 5:25 PM

Thanks Don, crazy times indeed. We’re doing ok so far.

Just heard on the news Brazil is recommending people not to travel to Argentina, and also to cancel holyday trips. (after 2001, Argentina is cheap for Brazilians )
They are now saying that they will declare national emergency either Monday or Tuesday. They preferred to wait until after the elections tomorrow Sunday so as to not loose votes over the way they are handling things.
My wife and I, we don’t leave the house without a face mask.
The good ones I bought with a valve, they fit well and you feel the mask suck against your face when you breathe in.
The masks that are a bit better, that have a valve, what I’ve been doing is using them more than once (2 or 3 days) if used just for an hour or two. Hanging them under the sun for 12 hours (daylight) evaporates moisture and the sun kills any bug that needs water to survive.
You are right about the bug and how it travels on a droplet of spit in the air. It’s disgusting to see people coughing and sneezing, throwing visible particles into the air and people breathing all that in.
I don’t know what % of protection the mask provides, but I sure am glad to wear it.

Guess the scary part is that we don’t see others doing the same (wearing masks) when they clearly should: Everyone’s coughing, and spitting mucus on the sidewalk, it’s as if there’s no healthy people anymore.
I know most of these are regular flu cases, but it sure is like nothing we’ve ever seen before.
My son suffered it the most. We were really worried and we just don’t know what type of flu he had, the fever was very unusual, very high and it lasted for several days. I think we were lucky that he made it and the pneumonia didn’t get worse.
My little theory is that the government isn’t advising the use of face masks because they can’t provide them, so they prefer to say washing your hands and covering your face when coughing is enough.
It’s madness. I mean, the reporter on the news today said that, he himself, had his family bugged in, and he only went outside to work and then went straight back home. Just like we’re doing, he said his kids aren’t going to school either.
It’s a good thing we have enough supplies to not go out that much, and we have enough soap, hand sanitizer and face masks to last us for a while, as well as medicine for whatever we need.
But hey, there’s no reason to worry! The director of the Malbran hospital said there’s 10.000 infected and 200 dead, and enough beads for 100 patients…
It’s during situations like these that the lack of a real functioning government, what I talk about all the time, becomes evident.
The longer they try to solve things by denial, the more people will die.

Edited to add: In the previous post when I said we shower, of course we shower everyday like normal people. What I meant was that we throw the clothes in the washing machine, shower right away and change into clean clothes as soon as we get home, just in case, as an extra measure.



Anonymous said...

Google colloidal silver,,I have used it for years.a life saver..the list below is the best source for info on its use etc..

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Anonymous said...

BTW soaking fabric in the silver solution will kill the 'bugs'..clothes treated with silver are odor proofed etc. because it kills the bacteria.
Silver is the 'king'..research it.
Will be making a gas mask type filter that will draw the air up and through the colloidal solution..
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and yours.

Bones said...

Masks are well and good but don't forget most viruses get transferred hand to hand or hand to object. Anything you touch like door handles, etc., can be contaminated. You then touch your own mouth or nose and become infected. The main benefit of masks is to prevent you from touching your own face and infecting yourself. When you remove your mask, wash you hands and remember that the faucet handles can harbor bacteria - yes you can drive yourself crazy thinking about this! Basic hygiene and sanitation are very important.

DanT said...

FerFal, I too had the A flu a few weeks ago. I'm good as new and I trust that you will be soon as well. As for the masks, I recommend that they be spayed with Lysol Disinfectant spray, the type that kills germs and viruses. Just give the mask a spray until you can see the droplets coating the inside and outside of the mask. Then let dry before use. this will permit your masks to be reused several times.

FerFAL said...

Thanks for the advice DanT. I have a similar spray and will try that.


DanT said...

FerFal, regarding the Lysol, make sure that you use the type that is certified for viruses.

Anonymous said...

I just want to say that I appreciate this post and all the informative commentary from everyone. I'm learning important things about keeping my family and me healthy.

Thanks -- you guys are awesome!

Anonymous said...

Masks rated P-100 should work better as they are rated for finer particulates.

CapnRick said...

People often forget the two most guilty cross-contaminators: Shoes and money. Constant hand sanitation is a must. I also spray the bottoms and sides of my shoes upon entering the house. Think of all that coughed-up disease-ridden sputom on the sidewalks of which FerFal spoke.

Anonymous said...

One of the primary benefits of a mask is that it reminds you not to touch your mouth, nose, and eyes. Any mask will do *that*, and is better than none. Remember to only remove the mask w/gloved or cleaned hands and clean hands after touching it. One can spend a weekend wearing throw-away masks around the house to build the habit of not touching mouth/nose/eyes; practice removing mask w/o contaminating underlying skin.

I bought a colloidal silver travel kit w/nose rinse, throat spray, and drops for the stomach. If I become desperate, I will pour the nose rinse (the one that's just colloidal water) into a spray bottle and try to inhale it into my lungs, along w/using the nose spray. If already coughing, what's a little more fluids? That is my plan D. I am too lazy to make a colloidal silver generator, but w/pure silver & distilled water plus minor electronics supplies, one can generate colloidal silver for emergencies.

My dog requires steroids for an inflammatory condition. If hospitalization is unavailable and desperation requires it, my family may take prednisone to try to tamp down immune response to a flu (odd choice, but it is possibly an immune over-response causing the deaths - although another theory holds that the virus replicates asymptomatically until it reaches a lethal quantity, and then attacks). I am also looking into red rice yeast as an OTC statin that can reduce inflammation and possibly reduce the immune response creating cytochine storm. Not w/o its dangers and I hope to never need home remedies.

Fer, you said you don't know why the flu was milder in No. America - we were not in flu season. It's likely that winter weather - temp. changes, dry indoor air, etc. - makes bodies more susceptible. Our winter solstic, the lowest point in natural Vitamin d production, is 12/21. Yours is June 21. There is evidence that flu peaks around the solstice.

Google why flu peaks in winter for interesting reading. An animal study found that low humidity raised the risk of flu transmission, too. A humidifier might be a reasonable precaution if anyone in your home/office is contagious.