Don Williams said...
Ferfal, I have a question. First, some background:
1) I've seen the SOE Syllabus for the H2H combat developed in WWII by Fairbairn-Sykes. It has just a few sucker punchs --chop to the throat,etc -- with emphasis on surprise and killing quickly. But it also notes that it was developed in the context of only having a few days for H2H training in wartime and that it was backup to the knife or gun. It notes that boxing/wrestling are valuable but that they require 6 months of time which the military didn't have. It advised strongly--as you do--against going to ground because an enemy's partner can kick your head in. Finally, the emphasis is on rapidly disabling an enemy because in a battlefield melee, you can't get tied up in a prolonged duel with a single opponent because that gives his buddies time to help him. Similarly, if a SOE spy dueled with one German soldier, that gave other soldiers time to swarm over him.
2) Fairbairn Sykes was developed for SOE spies and a cynical person might note that dead men tell no tales and that the fastest way to ensure a spy died on capture was to encourage him to attack armed men with bare hands. :) An even more cynical person might note that backup Plan B for Fairbairn H2H was the suicide pill.
3) Those ideas prevailed in military H2H for decades but in 2002 both the US Army and the Marine Corps went over to the MMA style you favor. With grappling and joint locks and boxing strikes included. The guy who implemented it for the Army indicated that part of the reason was to allow soldiers to spar so as to develop their skills -- that simply showing them some techniques over a 2 or 3 day training period didn't cut it.
4) I had thought initially that the military change was because counterterrorist operations require that you capture hostiles for interrogation --Hence, a shift to more emphasis on police control techniques -- whereas in conventional war you can just shoot them.
5) However, I also see signs that the military noticed the results of MMA -Brazilian JiuJitsu _Vale Tudo competitions around that time.
Which showed that boxers unfamilar with wrestling techniques could get rapidly beaten by grappling techniques. I.e, that a wrestler could protect himself from knockout, close rapidly with the boxer and that once he seized the boxer it was all over --because the boxer's limited training had not prepared him to resist a wrestler once seized.
However, boxers did better in later MMA competitions once they learned countermeasures to wrestlers attacks so that they could avoid takedowns,etc. It also seems that boxing depends upon having a certain amount of room so that you can dance away from a wrestler -- and that a boxer can have trouble he doesn't have room to maneuver.
Do this match up with what you've seen?
That’s pretty accurate, yes.
Also notice that in the various MMA fights they either tap out or get KO, so those two are the basic “weapons” in the arsenal.
You see it clearly, when a guy is KO, he drops like a bag of potatoes.
A good punch takes seconds, may end up the fight, and you are not exposing yourself to others as much as if you would if wrestling.
But as you say, boxing well and being able to throw effective punches takes lots of training, even if when fighting you only throw a couple quick combinations in seconds.
The good boxer does well in rumbles were there’s a lot of people involved. My best friend’s brother was very good at it, and I’d say he was a 90% instinctive fighter.
He kept his hands up, mover fast, dodged punches well and hit hard. Add to that that his idea of a fun weekend was to go pick fights in bars and clubs, after awhile he got very good at it and even thought he would get bruised a bit, he always won, even when outnumbered.
In one occasion he got into a fight with some guys, him alone against a bunch of them. He knocked a few of them down, and when they retreated he made the mistake of teasing and laughing about it in front of the guys girlfriends.
Feeling humiliated, they jumped him all at once, knocked him to the floor, and after kicking the crap out of hit they tried to cut his neck with a broken bottle. Lucky for him he moved and caught the bottle in the chin.
He was cut from the tip of the chin to the ear. You should see that scar.
So its not that much about winning a one on one, but covering yourself throwing punches, and getting the hell out of there.
Then yes, the rest of the techniques you need to complete the tool box.
But don’t forget that a solider will never be told to run for his life and escape, while for you it is always the best option.